republicans have been so focused on susan rice on the whole benghazi incident. no one's put any emphasis on hillary clinton. is that going to help her? >> hillary clinton has been very adept at making sure she had no fingerprints on the whole benghazi fi areas ko. we have a very polarized political system where we are no longer the country where people could rally to i like ike. what you're seeing in that poll is one, a name recognition effect and two, a lot of republicans who remember the 2008 hillary clinton versus barack obama fight. barack obama won, so they liked hillary clinton. if hillary clinton had won in 2008, you would hear lots of republicans saying none of this would have happened if barack obama had won instead. if hillary clinton is the nominee in 2016, this will be an election decided by three or four percentage points. >> right. it always tightens. something happened last night. i'm curious about the other side since you're talking about 2008. marco rubio and paul ryan spoke at this dinner. these are speeches where they're trying to define who t